"The remedy against Bolsonaro is more democracy in Brazil"

Former Brazilian presidents Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva and Dilma Rousseff, in Paris, March 2, 2020.
Former Brazilian presidents Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva and Dilma Rousseff, in Paris, March 2, 2020. CHARLES PLATIAU / REUTERS

It has not changed, or so little. With his dark suit, his gaze and his hoarse voice, Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva always wears his style high. The former Brazilian head of state (2003-2011) left his cell in Curitiba in November 2019 after 580 days of incarceration for corruption with the same intention of weighing on the political scene of his country.

At 74, the leader of the Brazilian left says he is confident about the six legal proceedings still pending against him. He is back, "Serene", as he repeats, and wants to make it known. After a first trip abroad devoted to a visit to the Pope, in Rome, he left Paris on Thursday March 5, after spending four days meeting politicians of all stripes, intellectuals, many supporters and several media. , whose The world.

President Jair Bolsonaro called for a demonstration on March 15 against his own parliament. Is Brazil going through an institutional crisis?

Brazil is going through a difficult time. Democracy is in real danger. I think Bolsonaro dreams of setting up an authoritarian regime. This is the reason why he thus provokes the National Congress. He knows that targeting Brazil is good for public opinion. It creates tension and seeks to embarrass the Supreme Court. I remind you that he formed a government supported by militiamen. The executive has never been infiltrated by these violent groups of former police and military personnel in our history. All this is very dangerous.

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What are the remedies?

The remedy against Bolsonaro is more democracy. He will run again for president in 2022. We must prevent him. We can try to build a political alliance as we did years ago before winning the elections (with left formations).

If the danger is such, as you say, why not cast a wider net and broaden your coalition?

In Brazil, whenever we talk about a broad alliance with other formations, this is done to the detriment of the workers. It’s systematic! And I don't want it. You know, it all ends with the choice of the people. She’s the one who decides. The political class is the result of the degree of political consciousness in society on election day. This is what this Congress does not understand. People vote according to a candidate, according to a person, according to their hatred or anger … And we, in the last ballot, did not manage to make voters think differently.


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